FIA to 'rise above' calls for Hamilton snub penalty
Dec.17 - Jean Todt rolled his eyes at those calling for Lewis Hamilton to be fined for snubbing Thursday's official FIA prize-giving gala event in Paris.
"I think we should celebrate rather than getting into any controversy," said the departing FIA president, who admitted he definitely will not miss episodes like the current one surrounding the end to the intense 2021 title battle.
Mercedes on Thursday finally dropped its intention to appeal the controversial championship outcome, but team boss Toto Wolff also boycotted attending in Paris - instead sending James Allison to collect the constructors' trophy.
"We left Abu Dhabi in disbelief of what we had just witnessed," a Mercedes statement on Thursday read.
"Of course, it's part of the game to lose a race, but it's something different when you lose faith in racing."
Wolff separately told reporters that he and Lewis Hamilton are "disillusioned" at what happened in Abu Dhabi - and may even be considering quitting Formula 1.
"I won't be there (in Paris) because of my loyalty to Lewis and because of my own personal integrity," Wolff said.
"I would very much hope that Lewis continues racing and I think as a racer his heart will say he needs to continue."
Wolff's wife Susie is also enraged, declaring that she hopes changes in F1's management over the winter enables her to "fall back in love" with the category.
As Max Verstappen collected his big trophy, however, he said hasn't given "too much" thought to Mercedes' post-season actions which Dr Helmut Marko at one point even called "disgusting".
"I'm fine," said the Dutch driver. "I feel like the world champion and it doesn't matter what they try to do."
However, Verstappen admitted that while Wolff did text him a congratulatory message, he is not quite ready to forgive the Austrian.
"I think I can be a forgiving person, but at the moment it's still all so new that it's better not to talk about it too much," he said.
As for Jean Todt, who is in his final days as FIA president, he also questioned the way Mercedes has handled the affair - including refusing to send the 2021 car to the official FIA photoshoot.
"In a way I'm sorry about that, because having eight constructors' titles is something unique. I'm sorry Lewis is not here.
"But this youngster (Verstappen) did an amazing job, and that's what we should be focusing on rather than 'Are we going to punish Hamilton for not coming?'
"It's human to focus on the last lap, and it's true that he (Verstappen) was very lucky, but was he lucky at Silverstone? In Azerbaijan? In Budapest?
"I think we should let it go. We have to rise above it," Todt insisted.
"Honestly, I'm glad I'm leaving because things like this are a reason not to stay. That's 70 percent of it, the other 30 percent is for the safety which is why drivers like Romain Grosjean are still alive today."
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it is sad to hear that politics take up 70% of the time at the FIA to listen to complaints and threats when focus is needed elsewhere.
Lewis is a drama queen. Sore loser. Go ahead and quit we can move on with more serious less emotionally stressed real racers.
Who don't wear blm masks.
Ha Ha ,half of them are rich kids paying to be there and most of the rest are past it.
Drama queen, he just congratulated Max and went off quietly to lick his wounds. Appealing was never what he wanted.
Why so hard on Lewis? our guy had by his own admission a lucky win. No Lewis no one for Max to race. Boring, like you.
you obviously have a short memory of who was the world champion 7 times...where would the sport be today without Hamilton and his performances?? Go ahead, bite the hand that has been feeding F1 for so long!! Both he and Max had a remarkable year but it just goes to show, some people are willing to win at any cost.
It is virtually impossible to forget that Lewis is a 7 time world champion. Anyone who mentions his name in regards to anything mentions he’s a 7 time world champion. Having said that, let’s not forget, outside of Nico Rosberg, Lewis has not had a formidable opponent until Verstappen. It would be nice if Lewis would remember that he is now an ambassador of F1, on and off the track. Stop the whining, if retiring , then do so and move on to his next venture.
Felipe didn't sulk like Ham , and he didn't get another chance. Ham has 7 titles.
To not go to the awards is bad sportsmanship.
Wolff is carrying on like a pork chop.
It's done move on.
Les , bang on corect and without being dramatic the whole world can see that, without doing a long post on it, his comment about manipulation, his non appearance at awards, and his media silence, these things and probably more are just adding pressure in his head to say , ah f88k it, i don't need this anymore, inside his head he knows that, but is imo still fighting against it, and that's without thinking about the challenge of GR next yr and the effect it'll have on him if he gets soundly beaten by max in 22.
He runs the risk of being called a money grabber, if he is just in the mix next yr and not at the front.
OK just my opinion, but when at the top, its an awful long way to fall in the world we live in esp for ""celebs"" using the term loosely in respect of f1 drivers.
Bugga , it was a long post,.
##continuedwhereisHamilton?
Just watched on Sky site 2 interviews with Nico and Jenson at the last round of extreme E in cold and wet dorset UK NR team is leading and JBs are fourth, Lewis team is 2nd and can still win the series.
Now, Where the hell is Lewis? personally and from a motorsport fan point of view , i find this another insult to the sport he says he loves and has even put his name to a team in the series .
Where is he? walking and talking to his dog in some sun drenched location?, i don't know, his fans don't know, it shows a level of disrespect to the sport i don't think we've ever seen before IMO, maybe Angela is giving him a " massage"......who knows..!!
Good post but I have a better question, what the hells is extreme E??? And who cares?
Don't say that Ror , you'll have Hammy crying that you don't care, you know how sensitive he is
BASHCAR rules. If it don't make noise it ain't racin'. Rude bad taste comment...hide the children, anything with an 'e' in it is fag' racing.
Re the knight, if I had a pile of $$$ and 7 WDC's facing a 'new era' in F1 I'd be thinking about doing a nico. Then again, you can never have too much $$$. Either way, his 'good until' date is in the rearview mirror.
You’d feel fed up with the FIA if you’d been cheated out of a world championship. Massi must go, and take Todt with him; both have disgraced F1 for long enough.
Simplistic reasoning...luck is a part of racing. What would you be saying if they were tied and silverstone, or Azerbajan had been the last race? Would you be crying for Max? something tells me no you wouldn't, you'd by smug.
Malcolm is totally correct, decision was wrong and shows F1 in a terrible light. It's interesting how people seem to have gone against Lewis, he is the one who lost out, they might as well have given him a 10 second penalty for no reason, it came to the same thing.
I wanted Verstappen to win. But the last lap decision with the markers was. well. just awful. Hamilton would have won and remember he spent the race building quite a lead. Screwy. Disappointing.
I see, I see, another new rule: Whenever Lewis has built up quite a led, that's when we stop the race... no need to go to the end?
Quite right Truepy, stop the race and let our nice Mr M swap the cars around a bit,not to much mind. He was getting a bit muddled earlier in the season.
The great thing for us Max fans is that if Hammy retires we won’t even need to watch f1 anymore. Max will have no competition from any of the other losers, either too slow or too scared. I doubt even George will be within half a lap of our wonder boy. Makes to many silly mistakes.
Three cheers for Max.
Looking forward to your 7th I’m sure
The great thing for us Max fans is that if Hammy retires we won’t even need to watch f1 anymore. Max will have no competition from any of the other losers, either too slow or too scared. I doubt even George will be within half a lap of our wonder boy. Makes to many silly mistakes.
Three cheers for Max.
Ps Hope that nice Mr Masi stays, he’s great to have on our side.
Now even Jeremy Clarkson is on Lewis's side! JEREMY damn CLARKSON? 😳. Now I have seen everything except hell freezing over and the world stops spinning. Lol
I stated already that celebs, especially the sports ones are largely on his side. And even some Max fans feel for Sir Lewis....ain't this somethin?! 😄 That stonking performance in the last 4 races to put Max under pressure and his graciousness in defeat shall be revered in history and overshadow Max's lucky break.
What was it Max said, if your not first,your last.....!!
And Clarkson, if that's the best Lewis can muster up he's well f**led
That's if he ever grows the balls to face the media again.. lol
Isn't Clarkson the guy who got fired for punching the set gofer who got the dinner order wrong, or some such rot? Don't think I'd brag too long on his moral support. I'm just sayin'.
Where is the knight? Easy-peasy. He's in seclusion composing his resignation in rap form. Watch for his debut on the SKYentertainment network.
No your bang on again Ror, except that clarkson knows how make popular tv and write stuff in papers that people will read, but take him seriously... nawww no one does that, unless they are foolish , or Jaxish, which is the same thing really.
Coming soon to Sky movies.
The story of one man and his recurring nightmares
Co-starring Toto wollf as the headphone smashing mobster boss
In supporting roles Michael Masi , also known as King of the put downs ,as the going "motor-racing" guy , and the evil Dr Marko orchestrating the whole show from hi secret lair.
Movie title---- "The reinstatement of the previous lap"
Id watch it
Hell stroppy you should write it , direct it ,and play MM or your dad Helmet. Be a long film though, to much hot air from your exhaust.
There should be a place for the Chinese too. Where do they fit in the plot?
I know you two who are bench and bottom gets triggered everytime I post, but try and control your simple minds. Point is Sir Lewis is winning the PR battle by winning over a few critics. Which will be useful to put Maxy under pressure next year. The pressure to repeat a title win and prove it wasn't a fluke. All playing out to the Brit's advantage. But keep praying he retires to alleviated your fears. I'm convinced you two are siamese Dingbats. 😄
Ah yes the young Max who adversely reacts to media scrutiny and criticism, yes all through his career , i've noticed how that affects him NOT.....
So what your saying is, that Lulu is is PR? to help defeat Max, good luck with that one.
May i respectfully suggest its Lewis whose under more pressure to take his crown, than the young Max.
lewis gave it his best shot and the young gun beat him,that tiny amount of doubt is in Lewis's head now, and it'll only get bigger and bigger, imo , it would be foolish to his reputation to continue, but Max is saying come on old man, lets do it all over again.
Of course in the end its Lewis's decision, but as i've said before F1 doesn't need lewis anymore, even the team principles agree
Max Verstappen knocked Lewis Hamilton off the top of Formula 1 in 2021 – and has now also replaced him as the team bosses’ favourite driver.Ever since 2016, it has been Hamilton and Verstappen in the top two slots. But now, for the first time, Verstappen has demoted Hamilton to P2.
The top 10 in full, as voted for by the team principals:
1. Max Verstappen (Red Bull) 188 points
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 174
3. Lando Norris (McLaren) 100
4. Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) 70
5. Fernando Alonso (Alpine) 63
6. Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 58
7. Pierre Gasly (AlphaTauri) 56
8. George Russell (Williams) 44
9. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 43
10. Esteban Ocon (Alpine) 41
What were you saying about pr battles lol
Stroppy you’ve forgotten to take your medicine hav’nt you. The delusion is particularly bad today. Sit down, take a deep breath and try to concentrate.
Who was in the lead before the crash?
How long had he been in the lead?
How big was his lead?
Was his lead increasing?
After Lewis’s cheat when Max forced him off the track did the super brilliant Max breeze back past him?
What exactly was the super brilliant driving skill that Max used to make up 12 seconds and take the lead? Max will happily answer that, luck.
So if Lewis is washed up and past it and can still drive rings round Max good as he undoubtedly is, what does that tell you? Yes that’s right, Lewis is even better.
Oh and Susan, stick to your gossip mags, this is about motor racing, not gala dinners and sexy dresses (much as I like them).
No need for the sexist nonsense. It's unbecoming.
Ah Jax,now you’re talking about gala dinners instead of motor racing. Jumping to the defence of Susan unbidden is both very woke and sexist, as you assume being female she is both offended and incapable of defending herself.
I am the one offended that you should accuse me of being sexist.
Susan’s remark that Lewis is “ going around telling anyone who would listen that he is so disallusioned with racing” is pure fabrication as he has actually said nothing to any one about anything.
Psychology of truth hurts! If you're that easily offended then you're barking up the wrong tree. Don't dig your hole any deeper son.
Jaxi, your becoming incoherent and assuming I am male.
Go and have a lie down like me.
By the way I am not your son (or daughter) you would need to be older than Fangio
Blowfly, this string is about the the knight's bad decision re the banquet, not the Abu Dhabi race.....not one person has denied that he was dominant in that race, only that he lost. And why the sexy dresses reference?
Smh. What does this lengthy post have to do with PR? Team bosses score based on stats, and quite rightly so. PR has to do with perceptions and optics as interpreted(flawed or not) by the viewing audience. The 'Scandal' of Max being unfairly gifted the title is the perception and what stands out in the end.
Stick to short sarcastic posts Super Fly, as that's your forte and limit. 😌
There you go again, trying to use facts and data with jaxman. When will you learn?
RoR
Dresses, gala dinners? Don’ they go together. Surely that’s right on thread.
Conspiracy, i’m far to old and, ok far to old to risk naming names even if I knew any but besides Massi what else Italian begins with Ma...
Jax has a constant need to include personal insults in most of his posts, there is medication for this...
Considering his suggestion that Max's title win was a fluke, the 2021 RECORD shows that Max beat Lewis in all categories. I.e. more wins, more poles, more laps lead, more fastest laps, and so on and so on except in the LUCK category where, I am the first to admit, Lewis was the clear winner.
So, my dear Jax, good luck with accepting reality. Next season will be played out nest season.
Lewis was the clear winner on luck? How come by Max’ own admission he won the world championship by luck!
The whole season the ‘luck’ was orchestrated by stage director M Massi who mysteriously no one seems to know anything about. Strange considering the power he wields. Can he even drive?
One thing you can be sure of, as he has neither resigned nor been sacked he must have powerfull and dangerous organisations controlling him. I should know.
Yippee, a conspiracy theory. Tell us more.
Make note everyone. Blowfly is showing you how he deforms reality to suit his baseless opinions:
Max said he was lucky at Abu Dhabi, and unlucky at other times. World championships are won over a full season.
World championships are won by the driver with the most points at the end of the season,fact.
Max was lucky to win the world championships. Fact.
Max can win a world championship by his own efforts. Fact. So can Marzipan in theory, and when he does he will truly be a great champion. I hope it will be against Lewis in full form but I doubt he will have the chance thanks to Massi.
Are you male or female True Post? 🤔 "My dear Jax"....what the hell? Lol.
Anyway, acceptance of his title isn't the point. The finale of how he got it will always have question marks in history if he doesn't repeat it next year. That's the point.
As to insults, I merely give you Lewis grudgers a taste of your own medicine. Never heard complaints about the Lulu and Lucy insults.
Just being polite Jax! Too hard for you to understand?
You didn’t ask me that mcp.
Please feel free to call Max , Maxine if so so wish Jax , anything to make you happy .
TP, are you seriously suggesting that the taxi driver understands facts and data? His only weapon is personal insult. Don't take that away from him, it's all that he has to offer.....and really quite amusing.
Since Sir Lewis had many other interests, maybe it is time for him to retire. His performance after the race is very telling. Some say he showed great sportsmanship, I personally think it would have been a better show of sportsmanship if he and Toto would have attended the gala in Paris. Going around telling anyone who would listen that he is so disillusioned with racing says that he should retire now and move on. I think he looks small, title or not.
Your problem, Susan, is that you are fundamentally not understanding the Merc/Lewis world. In that world, the Merc/Lewis combo is pre-ordained to win ALL OF THE TIME. Anything else can only be the result of some complicated machination, or just plain unfairness that is simply not allowable and to be overturned by the FIA.
As long as the Mecr/Lewis is a mile ahead, any kind of racing can go on between the cretins in the back, who gives a fig.
If you were a supporter of Lewis you would see what is in plain view of everyone what actually happened in Abu Dhabi. It had been previously arranged that if the Merc/Lewis looked like he was going to win, Latifi would purposely go into the wall, causing a Safety Car. Then Masi would manage everything to give Max an advantage, having previously bribed unnamed Merc team members to make sure Lewis was running on bald tires.
And the scheemers pulled it off!
!!!!! To complicated for my simple mind, you’ve driven me to go and do something useful briefly and then have a long lie down and eat chocolate.
I can’t take any more of this inane reading and writing. When I’ve recovered I’m going out to play with my spanner’s.
Aha TP, we've found you out...Shrop' writing sarcasm in full sentences. Good post. lol
I seem to have missed all the fun today, ah well cant always be around.
let me see.....mmmmmm
LH- loses wdc championship-become a recluse and is lost for ever
LH -loses his court case about trademarking his name...lol another blow
LH -loses the title of best driver in a vote by the team principles for first time since 2014 to Max or Maxine as Jax may now call him , he has my permission
LHs -Team in Extreme E loses to his old buddy Nico, that's got to hurt some
TW -Loses a newly signed sponsor due to a lack of understanding public sentiment .
To be fair , its not been a good yr for Lewis and Toto .
I Know I know facts again , sometimes i just cant help myself.
you're invading my facts and data territory and I don't like it. stop now.
As we now have to put up with you again could you please give us some facts on the mysterious M M. He appears to have no past or present. Since that fateful day we have herd less from him than Louigi.
My theory is that he is a mole working for the mafia, in which case expect Ferrari to be dominent next year.
And my posts to stop sudde....
Blowfeld, you could certainly use a spelling & grammar lesson, but your conspiracy theories are top drawer.....very entertaining. Is Todt returning to Ferrari part of the New World Order?
Sorry teacher. Is Todt returning to Ferrari? I hav’nt heard thar rumour. Did he used to be in New Order? I prefer Nick Masons lot myself
Stroppyfly has’nt found any dirt on MM yet or if he has he’s keeping it quiet or the’ve rumbled him and he’ll never be heard from again. Horah!
So we've gone from one Fly that's a Dingbat, to another Fly that now seems Batshit crazy. 😂. Who let out the Nut from the Nuthouse? Lol. Somebody call a paddy wagon.
This is my greatest fear but it had crossed my mind. It is all about "The Show" and nothing to do with real racing, when you think about it they have the money and the tech to pull it off, so why not but it's way worse than just "unfairness" if that's the case.
Oh my Gawd - Sir Hammy moping around one of his four luxury homes, whilst his disillusionment with F1 (or was it disillusionment with Toto??) grows and grows, becoming an all-consuming ball of light towards which Hammy tumbles with self-inflicted victimhood.
After all, it was Hammy who singlehandedly politicized Formula 1 with his BLM nonsense and need for 'diversification', and any diversion of attention from he and his woke life is a statement of utter failure on his behalf.
Lewis Hamilton is a f__king idiot. Don't take it from me, as Paul Joseph Watson says: Lewis Hamilton is living proof of the “systemic racism” he complains about.
A multi-time world champion and he only has;
– 15 supercars.
– 4 luxury homes.
– A £60 milion a year contract with Mercedes.
– A net worth of $285 million.
The struggle is real.
For a fuller, more entertaining version go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq2E7LBClnY
Frankly, I hope Hammy-poo comes back in 2022 and botches his run for the 8th WDC title.
In the meantime, lets see all this "media silence" for what it is - a welcome break from Hammy's bullshit wokeness and victimhood.
I look forward to the day when Hammy is a laughable memory, and let's all remember, second place is first placer for losers.
I have never heard such a load of crap spouted by so many so called F1 fans 🙄
Your inane comments only add fuel ⛽ to the controversy about the title outcome
The concensus should be that the rules are there to be adhered to and they should not be interpreted to suit any individual team
Perhaps we need a stronger knowledgeable race director who would not be influenced by team principles shouting at them during the race
Charlie Whiting is sorly missed
Spot on, John, I was thinking that we have seen Michael Masi mentioned more in one season than we saw Charlie Whiting mentioned during his entire tenure.
One small bone of contention speaking rules interpretation. The F1 rulebook is so convoluted that for every rule you can find one that contradicts it. Thus the lack of cohesion over interpretation.
Simple
1. no pit stops under safety car except to repair damage done by accident requiring safety car
This is already the case for all other classes.
2. No right of way during overtaking until the overtaking car is clear ahead. I.e. every part of the overtaking car is in front of a line at right angles to the centre line of the car being overtaken.
3. When overtaking car is 50% overlapped, the car being overtaken can no longer steer towards the overtaking car.
Result
Safe, fair, boring racing.
Or
Insist on a high level of sportsmanship and respect between professional drivers get rid of the amateurs and black flag any driver judged by the stewards to be driving dangerously.
Google cobras at Goodwood to see how it should be done. JB is just learning the ropes.
I agree with this and think they will do something similar by way of a 'Sticking plaster job' to cover up their earlier mistake. That and Massi may need to go and with a new shiny person in charge and new rules everything will be just great, if you are daft enough to believe it!
How odd, the fia prize giving pic with max holding his trophy, with sponsors names in the background that include Michelin and BMW, two firms that aren't in f1
will Lewis snub the fia prize giving for the extreme E too ? ...lol
Whoa, there Nellie!! Let's get back on track.
Jean Todt figures FIA is bigger than penalizing Sir Hammy for not showing up at the suare in Paris. Well, Mohammed ben Sulayem thinks otherwise. The Sporting Regulations state that the first, second and third place drivers must attend the awards gala. Hammy pulled-pin along with Toto. Momo is understanding of his "disillusionment", but said rules are rules, and Hammy broke 'em.
Old Hammy is off on another one of his persecution fueled, angst-ridden navel-gazing binges. But like Paul Joseph Watson says: "Lewis Hamilton is living proof of the “systemic racism” he complains about. A multi-time world champion and he only has;
– 15 supercars.
– 4 luxury homes.
– A £60 milion a year contract with Mercedes.
– A net worth of $285 million.
The struggle is real."
For complete details on how much of an idiot Sir Hammy is, go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq2E7LBClnY
In the meantime, I'm hoping for yet another lecture from Hammy about LGBTQ+ rights infringements in the Middle east, especially Saudi and Qatar. Howz that working for you Sir Snowflake?
I thought you'd be overjoyed at Sir Lewis's loss, yet you still rant. You have a stick up your ass? 😄. Is your life that miserable? Grudgful, envious, jealous much?! Blinded by hatred much?! Go find happiness and stop bitching for goodness sake.
Haters....what a bunch. Lol
Oh, Jax. There, there.
Sadly Canadian Eh these guys are mostly the result of over ambitious parents and the mega industry they have become a part of, much the same as Michael Jackson.
Money can’t buy happiness. Lewis is clearly a tormented soul.
Who provides the money? We do. No interest, no fans of F1, no money.
So you see lumberjack it’s all your fault (and mine).
Of COURSE - they're mostly Millennials! Like you said, over-ambitious parents. It goes deeper than that: "participation awards" at sporting events i.e. no-one ever loses; a lack of discipline; few if any consequences for sub-optimal performance; no respect; continually bailing-out the kids out of bad situations they were the author of.
So, by extension, this is all my fault.
Sigh.
Now you’re getting the hang of it,well done. No need to thank me.
Calm down Jax , everyone's entitled to the facts, tell us Jax is Lewis staying with you, or are you staying with him?
This conversations been "manipulated man"..!! dont you think?
Tell the Canadian to calm down as I am clearly calm my unwise Fly friend. Clearly not a happy fella.
And given you and 'RoR' seem joined at the hip, an attempted joke like that from you is the real joke. The Cornball power couple of this forum.😄
Jax, don't be like that. The preponderance of responses clearly identifies a sentiment of, well, disgust at the off-track shenanigans of Sir Hammy.
Hammy is a lightning-rod for this tide of disdain because he conducts himself in a manner coincident with descriptors like: entitled, condescending, pompus, self-deluded, selfish, social-justice-warrior, woke, shallow, selfish (did I mention that already), "oppressed", self-victimized, intersectional, the list goes on and on.
On the track, he's somewhat brilliant.
But, just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we're wrong. And, as you are clearly in the minority, a few moments of self-reflection and contrition may prove useful.
"Jax, don't be like that. The preponderance of responses clearly identifies a sentiment of, well, disgust at the off-track shenanigans of Sir Hammy." WHAT??? 😂. Talk about poor psych-analysis.
I couldn't care less about Lewis's off track life. Is he killing people?! Hurting people?! Committing finance fraud?! Rhetorically obvious. His on track etiquette is above any other millenium world champ in recent years. How many driver penalties or race license point deductions has his actions triggered by recent comparison?!
You haters know more about Lewis's life than I do. Because your subconscious dislike runs deeper than what you bitch about. He earned his opulence and respect as he wasn't born with a gold spoon like most F1 drivers. And his radio silence is fine by me. I don't follow him on social media so I don't need to hear from him. He'll emerge when it's time to get back to business. His perceived condescendence to people like you are justified and amusing. So no problems there either. Lol.
Whatever causes he chooses to support and speak up for, more power to him.
His successes and character are cemented in history; as acknowledged by his Knighthood. Something Mr. Ecclestonage will never achieve for example. Not to mention the award he was slated to receive had he been at the F1 ceremony. Good on him for the FIA snub tho.
You and Fly guy have and unhealthy and disturbing detailed obsession about Lewis. More man crush on the Fly's part I believe, but you just seem bitter.
Now go celebrate the Legend's loss and stop the ranting. Don't worry...be happy. 😉
Jax, for goodness sake, settle the f__k down.
Hey Canuck (I mean that in the nicest way), you're wasting perfectly good bytes responding to Jaxwads' tripe.
BTW, I was fortunate to be on track with Gilles (notice I didn't say racing) during his Formula B/Atlantic days. Best car control I've ever seen. There have been several great Canadian racing drivers, but $$$ ruled, even in the way-back days.
Hey Lumberjack were you looking in the mirror to help you write that list.
Sorry being retarded I don’t know what intersectional means, something to do with timber buildings maybe. You would know all about that and did you cross off envious from your original list.
Sorry for the spelling an stuf ROR
Any of you to young to know it or to old to remember check out Lumberjacks song on google.
Cheers Lumberjack
Nice job, Retard, you have done exactly what HAMfans bitch about...pigeon-holed someone based on what?...being Canadian?
You are excused for your lack of grammatical competence. Beginning to look like Jaxjerk has built multiple logons. lol
Well Lumberjack would know all about pigeon holes and logons.
If Jaxjerk can manage multiple logons, i’m the one that’s envious. Before you tell me off for being inappropriate ROR , your words not mine.
Wonder where Blowfly’s buzzed of to?
Is Jax clever enough to have multiple log-ons?, I do believe the Jaxster is finally rattled, has the penny finally dropped?
Lewis will clear all this up when hes out of therapy no doubt .
Clever enough, absolutely, intelligent enough, not so much. Still waiting for his admission that his prognostications are rubbish. Nowhere can I find that sir lewis is 2021 WDC.
you missed a letter out, what you meant to say was--- now where can i find Sir Lewis? 2020 WDC.
Strikes me hes been listening to much to Roscoe..!!
Already covered that. The knight is in LA putting the final touches on his rap video. He wants to have the video in production before he does his nico to maximize the profit from the press buzz.
Always the perfectionist , that's our Lewis, what a star he really is.
Going by multiple names is not clever. It's cowardly and/or idle at best. So it wouldn't surprise me if you two are really one in the same simpleton. Lol
As to my predictions, a thumb on the scale lucky draw for Max is the only reason he's crowned. Now check my track record of forecasts as opposed to yours(as in zero)! Still hoping his retirement this year will come true eh? Lol. And remember I also said he'll win at least 9 and retire in 2023 for good measure. Stay tuned.
Well, at the end of the day Max is the 2021 World Drivers Champion. You haters are gonna hate, and I leave it to you to defend your positions. As they say, je nes give a shit pas.
I’m with you Lumberboy, can’t remember what we were talking about anyway but mind your french or ROR will be after you for bad grammar.
You’r so lucky to be French Canadian and speak two languages. Any sign of a decent Canadian f1 driver ?
Retread - The only other French I know is asking directions to the train station: "Donde es el bordello?" It's never failed me!
And what the Hell were we all on about anyway? Some uppity dude getting spanked by an Arab for LGBTQ2+ rights' snivels?
Ugh, whatever.
As far as a decent Canadian F1 driver goes, there is no such thing. Jaques V. made a mistake and was ejected into a cheese-grater; his son Gilles V.won the WDC in a car that did all the driving for him. Lance-Baby has glimmers of talent now and then, but nothing consistent, and La Fifi, well, what can I say.
None of the Canadians were at the awards dinner either - they took their cue from Sir Spamalot, and as such deserve a good spanking by an Arab as well.
My wif’s drugging me of to bed now says you’re getting me to excited using all these filthy French words or is it French filthy words. ROR will guide me i’m Sure, probably get a good spanking from teacher.
Keep out of the women’s clothes, Sebbi likes dressing up, Yule give him ideas. Now there’s some won with the right altitude.
Your first choice is correct. They are French words that are filthy, not vice versa. Glad you're open to my comprehensive knowledge. Doing my best to raise the quality of posts.....except for mine. :)
Thanks ROR, could you give Ian a hand with his précis I think he may have taken its bit to far.
No real Canadian would ever (1) get the names of father and son mixed up and (2) say such a callous thing about Gilles’ accident.
Hey BT - you're right, I got them backwards. As for the crass comment, I'm Canadian and it's too bad you're offended.
So why are you actually here?
Up yours Lewis. Max will cheat if he wants to.
With just 9 weeks before testing starts, I'm still amazed we have heard nothing from the goat, the 2000 people he references after each win deserve better than this, now 9 days after the race and still no appearance/statement, maybe hell do a christmas message like our queen does, who knows..!! .
If he doesn't know NOW, whether he will continue or not, its a mad situation ,for all the people who worship him, and as I say rely on him for there bonuses and jobs, deeply unimpressed with his behaviour as must they be.
Just because Ham the man couldn’t be bothered to tell you Max, doesn't mean his team hasn't been told. Just means your not his friend.
I’m not responding to this article. I am responding to the death threats made against Lahtifi. Wolfe and Hamilton need to make a statement cooling down all this rhetoric. Nobody should receive death threats for crashing in a race. I’m sure most are just made by ridiculous people blowing off steam. However, in today’s world, there are some very unstable individuals who have a hard time dealing with reality. This has gotten out of hand. Only Mercedes has the ability to calm things down. They started this, now it’s time to finish it.
I couldn't agree more Susan, both Toto and Lewis should do a press conference for the wider public, there fans and for all there employees, Merc shareholders and sponsors, so when Lewis talks about being respectful , well take it with a pinch of salt , but as its the season of goodwill and all that, maybe tomorrow they will say something , OR maybe not and to finish, your right they started it now's the times to man up and face the media etc , instead of doing goodbye vids for VB .
Hey, Shropp, I have to agree with Susan on this one. Death threats to Latifi can't be the work of true F1 FANS. Death threats are the work of sick individuals that need to work on their problems. I'm not sure that bringing Toto and Lewis into this is going to help.
Anyway, the best of the season to all.
If I was in Lewis's place I wouldn't have gone, apart from anything he was being knighted by his country in honor of all he has done for it (I wouldn't have gone to that either right enough) but at least his own country were considering him whereas the FIA and F1 basically just shat on him. Lewis has been considerably restrained all season with Max's, let's call it 'driving style' he has been at best dangerous, just as well it's not stock cars, they would have put him in the wall about race 3 and before he hurt anyone else.
Unfortunately, Susan, a MB response would be a bit like Donald Trump's recent support for vaccination to his troops.....booed and disregarded. Haters gonna' be haters and social media is the perfect venue.....anonymous.
Unfortunately Ror and Susan , it gets even more complicated , we have a new fia president who can choose to do one of 3 things for his non appearance , he do nothing, or he can fine Louise, or give him a ten place grid penalty at the first race on 22 as its his 3rd reprimand on 21 season., caveat-any fia action must be given before the end of this yr for the 3 reprimands to take effect
So even more pressure being put on this wound, Toto must be shitting himself, rumour has it plan B is VB with a pay off to Alfa, very messy indeed.............
You're breaking news here. Love the rumour, if only to hear the BOThaters scream. lol As for an FIA penalty, they should throw the book at him. Objectively, Sir Louis is usually a gentleman, but the banquet no-show was a huge gaffe'.
Are you serious? Death threats on Lahtifi? That's ridiculous - but like you said there are unstable people out there.
I agree, 'Death threats', come on it's not as if he did it deliberately, surely this is not Lewis fans, if it is, haven't they learnt anything from their hero?
In the real world the only purpose for the FIA is to serve the drivers, no drivers no need for FIA. Like all sporting authorities they rapidly develop delusions of grandeur.
During my long business life I have seen many household name company’s go to the wall due to the arrogance of their management most often set in their ways.
Attempting to punish a driver for failing to attend a social event is not surprising but is indicative of their self importance and shows total contempt for the importance of the quality of the drivers they serve. If it comes to that, a multi times world champion will walk away and they need this one far more than they would care to admit and far more than he needs F1.
I doubt that the serious money men would allow that to happen as like it or not half the F1 interest and revenue streams would disappear as well. Can you see Sky and Netflix standing for that?
There is a world of difference between media hype, squealing fans and hard nosed businessmen.
Let’s wait and see what the compromise is.
Interesting viewpoint. I would counter that the FIA exists to serve all forms and classes of motor racing, not simply drivers. Each series needs structure and rules. Often the rules become far too complicated and convoluted, but without the structure there would be no racing series. There is no limit to the number of drivers, just as there is no limit to athletes wanting to take part in other sports. F1 has survived and flourished despite the loss of many exceptional drivers. Hamilton is no exception.
The FIA race director exists solely to ensure safe fair racing for the DRIVERS something he has singularly failed to do throughout 2021. No teams or drivers should allow him to return in 2022.
If he is still there in 2022 it will make a mockery of the FIA and stink of corruption from above. He is to weak and therefore open to intimidation and corruption. I suspect the whole 2021 season was manipulated for dramatic effect by director M on the instruction of the producers. They don’t give a dam who wins but it sure winds us up.
Stroppo in answer to your question about F1’s proportion of revenue, don’t know but I did learn today that the total viewing figures in all forms for 2021 F1 were circa 2 BILLION!
Merry Christmas
you'll be talking about Stefanos comments then Re the 2Billion i presume , except he says "following""not viewing for the purposes of FACTS .
Wot ever
TWO BILLION????? Where do you get this balderdash? There aren't 2 billion people in this world who have ever even heard of F1, let alone 'viewed' it.
FIA manipulation? Pretty magical stuff to have orchestrated Silverstone or Baku. If true, we need to start calling him Magic Masi and keep him forever.
Santa needs to bring you some BS filters. :)
ROR see stroppo’s post for minor correction and sauce, yes the big boss himself.
Re manipulation, obviously I was referring to MM’s proclamations or lack of not the weather or the drivers own clock ups .
I could describe in detail from being on the receiving end of multi nationals corrupt practises, how they go about it, but life’s to short.
Can you see Sky and Netflix standing for that?
i suspect given the viewing figures of sky for f1 , the very small % of revenue it generates is tiny in comparison to there overall t/o,and i imagine its the same for netflix, whats your guess, mine is 1% of t/o at the most, your the business man
F1 is a vast global business generating huge profits that would have been unimaginable 25 years ago. Five people are responsible for F1 as it is today. Jackie Stewart for making it acceptably safe, Bernie the arch manipulator, Schumaker for raising the sport to another level, Lewis and Max for taking the level even higher.
Yes there will be others but at the moment those two are maximising the income stream. How long either of them can maintain such a crazy high level remains to be seen. Nico couldn’t get out fast enough and Max is already saying he can’t maintain this level without a break. Lewis May have been tipped over the edge and burned out. A frequent occurrence with pop stars when they either push or are pushed to hard.
God i’m Sounding boring just before Xmas.
you obviously have a short memory of who was the world champion 7 times...where would the sport be today without Hamilton and his performances?? Go ahead, bite the hand that has been feeding F1 for so long!! Both he and Max had a remarkable year but it just goes to show, some people are willing to win at any cost.
How long can people like you go on and on making yourselves believe that Max won the championship on the basis of one race. In the 2021 season plenty more crap happened to Max than to Lewis, and it was mostly, if not all Merc driven.
As for the suggestion that F1 would have been doomed were it not for Lewis' s-e-v-e-n championships, well it's time to get over that one also. The fact is that this Merc/Lewis domination created the most boring seasons in history, and everybody knows this.
Finally, if Lewis wants to quit, who cares? F1 will go on just fine without him, probably even better with more competition. If Lewis wants to quit and demonstrate one final time that he's a sore loser, that's ok with me. We are already aware of that dubious quality, he has shown it frequently enough.
And double finally, about Lewis' poupou heart braking disillusionment: GIVE ME A BREAK, F1 made Lewis a gozillionaire, did he believe that all F1 championships were his forever?
Couldn't agree more with the above most of which i've been advocating all thru the season , now i'm not on instagram, but thought id check lewises, bugga all updates obviously , except a link to a 1 min vid of the man himself , but inviting you to pay a load of cash to get some self help vids, i'm sure that him 26M followers some are gullible enough to part with the cash and swell Louise's b/a even more .
A scam by another name.... merry christmas Louise
Some people get fed up with the same winner"albeit"hes had the best car it's boring, max is the only competition lewis has had with an inferior car no one could do that except max verstappen so I for one very happy to see a new world champ
Quick and easy response to this, MS wins his 7th wdc in 2004, returns to defend it 2005, finishes 3rd..., tries again in 2006 finishes 2nd..., and retires. so no, very easy to remember LH is a 7 times champion due to MS record of 7 championships
My understanding is that we agree on one thing - Lewis was robbed in that last race...
My understanding is that Max took Silverstone and Hungary on the chin + whatever dirt was thrown at him in the most competitive F1 season in recent history, and won the championship anyway.
My understanding is also that Lewis fans will go on for the rest of time re-writing what does not suit them and overlooking whatever suits them.
Meanwhile Lewis whined all the way, including his sissy complaint claiming that Checo was driving dangerously when he passed and re-passed Lewis in Abu Dhabi.
It's starting to look like Lewis can't take it anymore.
And please, how about that juvenile world-wide disillusionment charade, a first in any competitive sport?
If things went poorly for Jim Clark, he would take an hour or so to himself and come out the gentleman that he was; those were the days.
I'm glad that we finally have an understanding!
Here here...
You have forgotten that Max Verstappen has 7 penalty points on his F1 licenseband that Lewis Hamilton only has 2 penalty points? This indicates that Max Verstappen drove less safely in 2021 than Lewis Hamilton. 🤔
Actually, what I remember is that the most dangerous accident of the season was Lewis sending Max in the wall in Merry Old England and all poor and still missing in action got a little slap on the wrist... Lewis can do no wrong................good for him.
Don’t think Truly Pissed will ever agree with that, probably not Sorefly either. Sadly they can’t see that the real loser is Max. Lewis already has 7 world champs, Max has had to fight harder than any other driver for his and it will go down in history as luck.
Schumaker, Vettel and Hamilton all had faster cars than the competition but that wasn’t considered luck.
My greats
Fangio, Tony Brooks (never w/c), Clark, I saw him at Brands in a Lotus Cortina, breath taking, Hamilton. All were or are consistent pure natural artists and sportsmen.
Who would you nominate?
Hamilton all had faster cars than the competition but that wasn’t considered luck.--- Yes because 2007 and 2008 how the championship was decided was pure skill wasn't it
And its Schumacher .
Lay off the sherry its way to early
Stirling Moss. I first saw him race, and win, at Ardmore in '56. I was very young of course but I liked his attitude (and his name).
Say what you like about Hamilton but he seems to adhere to a code of conduct.
Max is not clean and the dirt will always stick I'm afraid
Agreed, but Moss rated Fangio and Brooks above himself. He considered himself too bull at a gate. He also rated Hamilton very highly but not Schumaker.
Fangio was yer actual text book hero but I connected with Moss because he was of my time. Me old Mum used to tell Dad off for driving like Stirling Moss.
I don't rate Schumaker because he wasn't a sport, or Senna because he was prepared to die to win. Hamilton Drives within his abilities and that's what sport's about.
My prediction for 2022. Hamilton will be highly incentivised to return by Liberty Media who will then sell out F1 the company to Sky/ Netflix for billions.
Hamilton will be back, how can you turn down £40,million he's just playing his publicly game, like late signings ect good for his EGO. LOL.
Good lord....this thread is still going. Lol. What a way to draw attention from Max's lucky achievement by soaking up attention with a media blackout. Drive the narrative by staying silent. Genius PR. So keep it up posters. 👌
By the way, did anyone see Max's face when the FIA karting champion didn't even acknowledge him? 😄 #Priceless.
more like prizeless which is how our knight ended the year .
Still has 7 tho!
Lay off the forum addiction and go get a life Super Fly. Lol pitiful.
See y'all on the flip side you crazy kids. 😎
Should Hamilton get penalised for not letting the fans know that he is or isn't racing next year.
Oh dear , if this is Totos last message for 21, where is Lewis's, this doesn't bode well, unless he pops one out tomorrow
https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1476494901311418376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1476494901311418376%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.planetf1.com%2Fnews%2Ftoto-wolff-2021-new-year-message%2F
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