Report: Vettel time penalty review 'on standby'
Ferrari's stewards review of the Canada GP time penalty is "on standby".
That is the news from Daniele Sparisci, the correspondent for Italy's Corriere della Sera newspaper.
We reported earlier that the stewards at Paul Ricard were expected to make a decision about the review of Sebastian Vettel's controversial Montreal time penalty by Thursday.
But Sparisci says: "Neither the OK to take it forwards nor a rejection by the FIA has come.
"At Maranello, they hope the matter will be dealt with as soon as possible. But perhaps it will take some more time because it is a delicate matter and all the elements must be weighed."
He claims Ferrari has prepared a package of videos and telemetry to show that Vettel did not deliberately cause Lewis Hamilton to take evasive action.
Sparisci thinks Ferrari's sporting director Laurent Mekies, who until 2017 worked for the FIA, has intricate knowledge of how the governing body's review process works.
"Also clear is that Mercedes is also ready to provide its reasons for defending Hamilton's victory," he added.
Therefore, a video conference to link the Paul Ricard and Montreal stewards may not suffice. "This time, a meeting may be necessary," said Sparisci.
Former F1 driver Ralf Schumacher says that when he was racing, "there would have been no penalty" for a Vettel-Hamilton-like incident.
"But based on the current rules, the time penalty is correct," the German told Sky Deutschland.
"Of course, these rules do limit racing, and so personally I like the old regulations better," Schumacher added.
"I understand that Ferrari is trying to overturn the decision, but instead they might want to work on changing the rules so that this does not happen in the future."
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I have been following f1 for many years and I've never seen a penalty awarded against a driver in this type of incident under this situation. The penalty shouldn't have been imposed
Look at Japan 2018 Verstappen V Raikkonen. Pretty similar incident and the same punishment. What's more interesting is that Ferrari instigated the complaint and when Seb was interviewed he said that whilst he didn't like penalties, it was correct in the circumstances because Kimmi shouldn't be expected to have to brake or take avoiding action to keep from crashing. However, for the offence to be made out no intent is required. Only that the driver re-enters the track in an unsafe manner.
Personally I felt sorry for Seb because he drove a very strong race and weekend and I believe that if Charlie Whiting was still there you'd have seen him advised to hand over the place and then attack Hamilton and that would have been exciting.
If this had been a different driver then no one would be trying to overturn it
Any driver going off the track like that would be given a penalty if they were to keep their position others have been told to give position back so why is this any different
If they do overturn this decision it will make this sport even more of a joke than it already is! .FerrI should just be thankful that's the only penalty and not anything else for his childish behaviour after the race !
Yes, the childish behaviour.
That is a proper English, I'm sorry, Imperial attitude: children should be seen but not heard - preferably not seen.
".....FerrI should..."
Is this a Freudian slip? Did you mean fairy?
So properly English, the driver's Colonial origins notwithstanding.
sorry i only have basic typing skills, i was hoping no one would notice !,silly me!
I have followed F1 over 50 years and believe Seb robbed by the FIA
Hailton always says he wants a good Race Fight as soon as it does not work in his favor he cries like a baby
No matter what happens now
The shocking outcome of this Race will be talked about forever in F1 History
It was a Bad Result result F1 and the Fans
Also I am and never been a Ferrari or Seb fan but still believe it was his win
I have followed F1 over 50 years and believe that I have never heard of Hailton ,so this throws some doubt on Mr Edwards claim of being an F1 follower for 50 years.
Sorry your pissed about the spelling that all you DH can come back with
And we're did I say anything about putting a Driver at Risk.
These Drivers get millions of dollars to DRIVE A FORMULA ONE OPEN WEEL RACE CAR if they want to race behind a windscreen go drive for Nascar or SuperCars.
But the money is not the same
I predictted that Hamilton would get on the Radio within seconds of the incident crying like a baby
Between him and Verstappen I don't know who is the worst whinger on the Radio
As I said I don't and never have been a fan of Ferrari or Vettel
But it was Vettel who won the race and the FIA fucked it
steve Edwards....i am just watching the 1st practice on Sky F1 and they have asked all the drivers up and down the Pit Lane if they would have radiod the same message as Lewis and they all said yes they would ! its ingrained into all modern racing drivers to do that because its all down to getting one over your competitor as not only are they racing for points ...Points mean money at the end of the day ! ...nothing to do with ." crying like a baby" or "whinging" as we saw on the podium after Lewis and Vettal got on just fine with each other as they both knew thay would have done what the other one would have done........I just wish the Stewards would be consistant and then we would all know whats going on !
The decision to penalise Vettel will cause a great damage to the sport that is already being damaged by over-regulation. Races have become glorified boring processions. The whole F1 rule booked needs to be overhauled to ensure that the sport goes back to racing again.
So you want to go back to the time where safety and logic were not considered and drivers funerals were commonplace oh and by the way did you hear that they no longer hold events at the Roman Colloseum
"....by the way did you hear that they no longer hold events at the Roman Colloseum..."
Yeah, I heard. People said too far to travel. They now have them in Las Vegas and, occasionally, in Manila and Kinshasa.
This is a sport for people with cojones, not for Sunday drivers. What kind of racing produces the same finishing order as qualifying, eg. no passing. It's yawning boring. People should look at MOTOGP to understand what real racing is about.
Hamilton only made the same comments on the radio that any other driver would have made in similar circumstances. Not only do you have trouble with the name but your exaggeration "cry like a baby" makes your comments worthless. At the end of the TV coverage they reviewed all the radio messages from Vettel and one was to the effect "if I had stayed on the outside he (Hamilton) would have passed me", for me that is a good indication that he could have kept to the outside and allowed Hamilton through! At the end of the day it is the Stewards decision and some you win and some you lose.
"....for me that is a good indication that he could have kept to the outside and allowed Hamilton through!...."
The car in front has no obligation to let the pursuing car through. It is allowed to make one "blocking move" per attempted pass, to hold the pursuing car back.
The issue is did Vettel's reemerging on track per se create a danger for Hamilton?
Evidently lot of people think that it did not.
"The shocking outcome of this Race will be talked about forever in F1 History" only if Ferrari keep appealing!
Opinions wil inevitably remain very highly divided on this by my take is that generally speaking whilst trying to overtake the guy behind has most of the responsibility to avoid an accident (unless the one in front is weaving about) but once any driver leaves the track all the responsibility should fall on the exiting front runner to avoid an accident. Hamilton braked to avoid an accident that was precipitated by Vettel's action. This is real hairline stuff but the rules are there for such occasions. Perhaps Vettel did not intend to hinder Hamilton but the rules do not attempt to surmise intention. If Vettel would have proved he was faster by opening up a more than 5 second gap he could still have won the race.
"....(unless the one in front is weaving about) ..."
Rules forbid weaving. The leading car can make ONE change of a position to block the car that attempts to pass it per passing attempt. If that fails it must not zig-zag to create an obstacle.
You all seem to forget that Seb once again, cracked under pressure and made a mistake. Schummi would have been proud of the way he re entered the track and tried to put Hamilton into the wall. When you make mistakes of this magnitude, at this level. You deserve to lose the race.
What is your point?
1994
"It's not over 'til it's over" said the Great Yogi. He also said that "...when you come to the fork in the road, take it!" Well, it's over and time to move on. That race will not define the season or make/break it either. Hamilton was closing on Vettel and probably would have passed him at some time before the checkered flag. After the penalty he only had to shadow him for the win. What kind of B-S racing is that? READ KIMI RAIKKONEN's dissertation on "too much data" and a return to letting driver's get to know the cars the way they used to — when they REALLY raced.
(I do not think we should revive anything else — since racing way back when was NOT Safe!)
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