Todt & Ecclestone respond to Hamilton criticism
Jul.24 - FIA president Jean Todt says he wants to keep "political debate" out of Formula 1.
Last week, Lewis Hamilton called out both Todt and F1 CEO Chase Carey for lacking "leadership" amid his Black Lives Matter activism.
The Mercedes driver also criticised F1 legends Emerson Fittipaldi, Sir Jackie Stewart and F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, even accusing the latter of lacking education.
Ecclestone has now hit back in the pages of British newspapers, declaring: "Lewis, you state that I am uneducated and ignorant. I have the same level of schooling as you.
"At least I had a reason - I was at school during the last war, not always under the best conditions. You are lucky because if I had been properly educated perhaps Formula 1 would not be as it was for you to benefit as you have.
"Don't think about what your skin colour is - think about what colour your mind is. Don't envy others. Just improve and catch up," the 89-year-old said.
FIA president Todt revealed to AFP France that he had a "long chat" with Hamilton in the wake of the six-time world champion's latest critical comments.
"I have a lot of time for anyone with a calling, a commitment, and I think it's great when a leader in their field wants to get involved," said the Frenchman.
"And we at the FIA have been involved for a very long time in diversity, gender equality - provided it is not a political debate.
"Our organisation is apolitical, like the Olympic Committee, with whom we work very closely. I totally agree that sport is a good platform, and in Formula 1 we gave the opportunity to those who wanted to express themselves," Todt added.
He is referring to the controversial and Hamilton-inspired 'take a knee' moments that have been occurring before the races in the spectator-less corona era.
Hamilton, 35, has said he would like to convince those of his rivals who choose instead to stand.
Todt said: "There are some who may want to kneel down, there are some who may not want to express themselves in the same way. It's freedom, it's democracy, and we must ensure that those principles are absolutely respected."
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Well done Hamilton.
If he Continues like this, more and more out of the F1 environment will show you a middle finger. Which he absolutely deserves for his behavior.
Wow! This must be the most one-sided and hate filled forum in racing
You're right and wrong.
Right in that it's one sided.
Wrong in that it's hateful.
These comment come from normal people that just use common sense. Or they're simply sick and tired of this BLM and fake noos propaganda.
There are billions of people, including myself, who think that ALL lives matter. Not one more than the other. Singling one race out is discriminatiory and so the message loses its strength.
The black lives matter movement does not for one second suggest black lives matter more than others it is highlighting the fact they don't seem to matter as much when they should in fact be equally important. Do some research before showing yourself up as ignorant with your comments!
Demanding people kneel is not equality. Marxist movement sponsored by globalist to cause unrest. Freakshow
ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hamilton will never get to drive for Ferrari. He is bad news...
Would he want to right now?
Yes, Ferrari had always been,in the back of his,mind. But they will never have him... A
He is burning bridges faster than Alonso in an ailing Honda, and its fine by me.
He is not of Michael Schumacher caliber to move to a losing team and work miracles to turn it around .
I'm sure he's devastated by that news - not. Thing is he's never wanted to and they never wanted him they're racist you see.
Why on earth would lewis even want to drive a Ferrari?
Would he have painted black
This is a sport not a political platform
Stand for the flag don’t kneel for looters arsonists and criminals who resist arrest all life matter including
Blue life’s who keep us safe by the rule
Of law. You were are Lewis are British
Driver now you are Hamilton the half cast driver bully fro hero to zero
Why would he want to Mercedes are why ahead of everybody. It is going to staying that way for a long time...
You are now ruining F1 for me, Lewis Hamilton. Forget your politics. It's supposed to be about racing. It's even affected your employer now. I believe you and F1 are losing respect and interest with this campaign you're engaging in. Thanks a lot.
I agree with all the comments, keep politics out of racing and respect each individual. We are not all sheep and I like it that Max and some of the others didn't get swayed into this.
I'm sure Hamilton is losing many more fans than he's gaining with this political diversion and what's more he'll be doing Mercedes a disservice too. There's no place for politics in sport. The sooner everyone realises that and moves on, the better for us all..
Hamilton's gone rogue lol. He's doing a Sting. Remember Sting with the Amazonian Indians?
Rich people desperately looking for a cause.
So Hamilton doesn't remember the days before the money? Being a black kid in Stevenage? This "keep politics out of sport" bull is just code for "I don't want to think about reality right now". Its not how life works. Everything is inter-connected.
Show respect to any individual because of his achievements and not for the color of his skin. Taking the knee is reserved for God.
Stand and respect the flag of the country that is hosting the race. You only gain respect by giving respect. Now,
STFU&D!
Now beyond embarrassing,Lewis either carry on racing without the politics or retire and devote yourself and your considerable wealth to your chosen cause.There are many other worthy causes such as Hong Kong citizens, Tibet, Yassidi Women,Yemeni civilians particularly children, North Koreans. ls BLM more deserving than these? lfor one will be reaching for the remote to turn off the next Formula 1 kneeling episode. The tail is wagging the dog,keep politics out of sport.
I agree, keep it out of sport. I will certainly use the remote for the knee bending. I have been a fan of Lewis what seems like forever and still am but this recent is stretching my respect for him. BLM is rapidly increasing racial intolerance from both sides and extreme left and Marxists will thrive on it.
Totally agree with Clive and John, absolutely black live matter………. but so do lives in other groups.
Today there are as many gay people in the world as black people, however there are no countries that legally persecute & specifically kill you for being black. Where was indignant Hamilton, Wolf & Mercedes and all their ilk up until now, no doubt quite convenient for their respective images … Some say self-serving or ….. #hypocrites
As a point of interest, how many cars do Mercedes sell, service &/or look after in:
Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia Somalia, Somaliland, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen, amongst others.
As of 2020, they all prescribe the death penalty for homosexuality …………….
Notwithstanding the myriad of others who have draconian laws to punish being gay, like Singapore, Russia, China & many many more which Hamilton and Mercedes are comfortably happy to frequently visit and fraternise with …….. #hypocrites
Of all the countries around the world, the list of those who do offer legal protection to being gay is significantly shorter than those who don’t.
And some of those countries you listed practise slavery but there is no interest from BLM or Hamilton in calling them out. I have long been a fan of Hamilton but not for much longer if this rubbish goes on.
I reckon you can look at a person's skin and see their sexual orientation -- STFU!
Hamilton is a hypocrite
After a much to long hiatus from F1, came back last year after watching the Netflix special. I was all in, reading watching everything F1 to catch up. Merc became my team due to my long time love for Mercedes autos (plus my E350). That said, my enthusiasm has been crushed... I'm close to stop watching F! due to hamilton. Surely, F1/FIA is aware of the mass negativity... will they act to stop this madness?
In my mind Jean Todt response is excellent and this should be followed by all in similar positions worldwide covering all sports. An excellent indicator of the good leadership F 1 has...
I was a late reaction from FIA's Mr Todt but better late than never. FIA punnished Verstappen for "pushing" Ocon I remember but what I don't understand is that Hamilton is not punnished at all for dirupting peace in this sport with his discriminating remarks about all people with other skin than him.
I think Hamilton is starting to behave like a Prima-Donna. He has a large chip on his shoulder about his skin colour. Especially lately he is starting to lean very much towards Africanism ( if that is a proper word) with his hair styles, lots of bling etc. Regardless of his success in F1 I have never been fond of the guy. Put him and Max in identical cars and Max will beat him hands down every time.
I think Hamilton is getting to big for his shoes because he is a 6 times world champion. It he want to be a politician he need to go to parliment. Otherwise shutup and drive or get the hell out of F1.
Has Hamilton forgotten he is half white. Who cares about his colour. His actions make him a racist. I wonder if he has discussed this with his Mum !! I am 76 years old, a non-racist and an ardent F1 fan (I am even named on the 'Wall of Fame' at Silverstone, having attended 45 British Grand.Prix) and i always thought historically that Mercedes Racing Teams always raced as the Silver Arrows. Get your act together, Lewis.... What's happening with the World?
The comments from Bernie are spot on hamilton is damaging F1 & Merc time he moved on. Just another privilege hypocrite.
I don't think you're from the US. So, I will try to explain something to you. The Black Lives Matter movement is not political. It's about the rampant almost wholesale killing of Black men by the police. It came about because the US is quite possibly the most racist country on the planet. Black men have been singled out by the police as someone they can shoot, beat, choke to death (by a cop kneeling on a neck). The police rarely are called to task for their actions.
Every person that has a TV has probably seen the video of the murder of a Black man by the Minneapolis police department. This type of action by the police in the US is a common everyday thing.
The only difference this is that someone filmed the brutality and total disregard for human dignity. All of the cops in any city or town know that they can do pretty much anything they want to Black men.
They know that if caught the FOP will jump in and protect them retribution. Think about this; No cop has ever served any time for the wanton killing of a Black man. Usually the FOP, the Police Dept. and the DA almost always find in the cops favor and the murderer is never prosecuted for any thing. The cop who committed the murder is moved to desk duty for a couple of weeks. After that the cop is allowed to go back out on the streets
In the rare instance where a cop is actually charged with something the FOP, DA and the court generally get together and have a non-jury trial. A Judge predisposed to favoring cops is cherry picked to adjudicate a non jury trial. The cop always goes free.
On the even rarer occasion where there is a trial the DA, FOP and the court make sure the jury is composed of people who think cops are always right. The result is the same as every other instance of police misconduct/murder. The cop gets off and goes back to his job. He's usually payed any back pay that he missed because of being suspended and/or fired.
If you bother to read this you'll realize the Black Lives Matter isn't about politics. It's about human dignity and fairness.
For the last couple of years the cops in the US have killed roughly 1,000 people a year Those killed are almost exclusively Black men.
What a load of rubbish. Why don't you move to a place with no police and try that? Your ignorant diatribe has nothing to do with F1, and is total crap.
Chill Swede. Most of these posters are, at best, casual F1 fans who don't know an upright from a steering arm. They (both sides) are twisting stats to support their political positions and, frankly, infecting our sport. Let them vent. They'll go away soon enough. Watch this space for 20-30 thumbs down. lol
Except of course the, US police kill more white men than black men even though black men commit more felonies. The statistic that BLM and their supporters don't want to admit is that 70 percent of violent black deaths are black on black. An inconvenient truth since the 1850s that average has been approximately 90 percent. The problem is trying to racialise everything when facts don't support it.
I am sorry, but a greater number of those killed by the US police, are unarmed white men. Most of those black men killed are armed and black men are more likely to commit felonies than whites. Over 70 percent of black homicides are black on black. BLM and its supporters are trying to raclalise this issue when the statistics refute their arguments. The facts are an inconvenient truth.
They don't want to hear facts they want BLM and in this case, the best F1 driver in history, my brother Lewis Hamilton to be quiet because his actions and intelligence hurt them. Real people know what's up..
I Have been a Hamilton for many years , but please Lewis stop all this racism talk, BLM and politics out of F1 , we all just want to see the racing and talks amongst the drivers and the spectacle of the sport.
The ignorance expressed in many of these comments are appalling. It’s obvious that many of the F1 fans and Hamilton-haters have not bothered to understand the cause that is driving Hamilton’s actions before passing judgment. We live in a world where more people raise their voices against a black man kneeling for a justice than for a white American cop kneeling on the neck of a black man and taking his life. I am so glad that Hamilton’s courage to speak up for something he believes in is making some people uncomfortable. Because when we are comfortable we stay where we are - we stay Ignorant - and nothing changes.
Wow Hamilton wins are too much for some of you to get a grip on so many many of you are just like Donald duck trump and you cannot and will never understand how important it is to stand up for something like this because most of you were taught to hate blacks and a black person cannot come to super dominate a so called white sport.the others will never give a dam because that other colour never had their necks stood on so yes we understand Ecclestones and the other man but that's all about to change BLM I'll always support you Mr Lewis Hamilton continue winning and please turn up the heat you are the GREATEST OF ALL TIME
There are way more lies in this post than truths. You need to read some actual statistics instead of spewing propaganda. black lives do matter. Lower case. BLM is a marxist, fascist, racist, organization that borders on anarchy. Go visit their website. They are quite open about it. And all they are doing is hurting the black community more than helping it. Defund the police? More black people are killed by other black people exponentially more than by police. Y'know who the only people are that stop black on black crime? Police. Removing police from inner cities is a sure fire way to get more black people killed.
Uh... The cop and even the ones standing near him were immediately fired. And they have been indicted and will stand trial for 1st and 2nd degree murder. Clearly that cop was wrong and what he did was awful. And he will face judgement. But bad cops like that are an incredibly small fraction compared to all the good cops. Black people don't want their entire race judged on the actions of a few black men. And guess what... all cops shouldn't be judged on the actions of a few bad cops.
I totally agree with these comments, and with respect to the excellent point made by Ranger175, about these awful police officers receiving swift justice, you can add, that BLM has chosen the worst possible martyr figure in George Floyd. Why does BLM not care about the fact that for his crime for which he served his greatest sentence, Floyd pressed the barrel of his gun against a pregnant woman's tummy, as his mates robbed her house. Let's please get this into perspective.
The first time I ever heard racism mentioned in F1 was when Hamilton received a penalti and proclaimed that he was only penalised because he is black. He introduced racism to F1 and should be ordered to cease using the sport to promote his campaign. Mario Andretti hit the nail on the head - Hamilton is destroying F1.
Agree with Jim, Hamilton in his self serving crusade of slagging off everybody in F1 who doesn't cow down in worship to his demands, is doing an amazing divisive job of alienating black and white people. Thought sport was there to unite people of all colours, creeds and religions. In inequivalve support SKY SPORTS clearly are as disrespectful in their blind "puppy dog" following & his warped bidding.
And some of those countries you listed practise slavery but there is no interest from BLM or Hamilton in calling them out. I have long been a fan of Hamilton but not for much longer if this rubbish goes on.
Wow Hamilton wins are too much for some of you to get a grip on so many many of you are just like Donald duck trump and you cannot and will never understand how important it is to stand up for something like this because most of you were taught to hate blacks and a black person cannot come to super dominate a so called white sport.the others will never give a dam because that other colour never had their necks stood on so yes we understand Ecclestones and the other man but that's all about to change BLM I'll always support you Mr Lewis Hamilton continue winning and please turn up the heat you are the GREATEST OF ALL TIME
Will Hamilton return is money back to his team for the black slaves mercedes used in world war 2. under the Nazis mercedes used 40.000 slave labourers is he ok with that.
They would have been white I guess and Jewish so no one seems to care. In fact you don’t hear Jewish people continually bang on about the Holocaust. 6.5 million gassed!
I think this woke BLM movement is setting race relations back 40 years. It’s just Identity politics which just isn’t backed up by statistics. Like for example the concept of “white privilege” it was invented idea written in a paper by the academic Peggy McIntosh in about 1989 but has no scientific data to back it up , just too many variables. However, mainstream media and countless celebrity woke warriors sell this bull as gospel.
I’m so tired of the lot of it. I was such a fan of Hamilton. He was adored by his British fans, now it feels like he’s giving a great big middle finger to the lot of us. He’s even started to take on the appearance of a Compton rap artist.
I can’t see this will sell many cars for Mercedes . I imagine his cards marked. Not because of skin colour, but the Diva attitude.
Oh boy. Another White who is either from Europe or the American South. If you're from Europe you have no idea what life is like for the average Black person in the US.
If you're from "the South" you're most likely still bitter about loosing the Civil War. Get over it. You lost. Just as Trump lost.
To not know about White privilege as it applies to the US suggests you're stupid or not from the US. Are you another one of those who watched the attempted insurrection of the capitol while pretending there was no violence going on?
There's a lot of that kind of myopia going around. I suppose You'll also rejoice when Derek Chauvin gets of after killing George Floyd while being filmed. None of the White jurors will ever convict a Whit cop for killing a Black person.
Yes..Stand up for freedom,democracy & All lives matter, anything else is just discrimination and has no place in our society...
I have never been a fan of Hamilton. Through his father and his management team he has had it easy at silver arrows.
He has never wanted a driver in his team who will challenge or be allowed to challenge, look at Bottas disgraceful.
Sky sports so called experts have no time for any other driver, they have no understanding its purely the car Mercedes give him. If he was in any other team he may have achieved 1 maybe 2 titles at most.
F1 is now geared up for Mercedes that's it, it's no longer a competitive sport for all to enjoy it's a German juggernaut built in a British factory(ironic)
that dictates to all.
And for his antics now! Well he is killing the sport along with sky presenters with their negative and somewhat racist and derogatory remarks.
Schumacher's teammates were never allowed to challenge either! I'm not a fan of the Sky sports coverage, don't think it actually provides a better quality of coverage than what ITV or BBC gave us years ago... Having said that though, they have Jenson, Martin & Johnny who know what it is like to drive one of these cars..do you? If you look at C4 you have David Coulthard and Mark Webber who say exactly the same about Lewis' talent...clearly they are also wrong!
Back to the matter in hand... Whilst I am a Hamilton fan I agree with many others that sport is not about politics or race or privilege, its about competing to the best of your ability whether that's as an individual or team. Yes he has a platform to show his support and he has a right to do so but equally (seeing as this is all about equality!) the drivers should be able kneel or stand as they choose. They should not face criticism for the choice they make.
As for Hamilton winning all the time - the simple fact is, Lewis/Mercedes have and continue to perform at a higher level than the others. Don't like it, tell the other teams to up their game!
If there is so much racsim in F1, then how in the world did a black man become one of the greatest of all time in the sport? Him crying racsim from the podium is hilariously hypocritical. It seems that he thinks blacks are more important than any other persecuted race. And there sure are plenty in all those countries he visits.
It is not racism per se but the bias towards black people what hinders them to get into F1. It is no myth and F1 acknowledged this fact. Hamilton is special and with his talent it's almost impossible to not get into and succeed in F1.
That's called pulling the race card. It's a lazy excuse for when you don't get what you want. How many other "races" of people are not in F1 at all, let alone winning championships? Is every single race of people on this planet in F1? How many Americans are in F1? Do all these other races of people complain that they are not included because of their race? No. Only 1 race complains. People of color are largely some of the most successful people in the world. LeBron James, Beyonce, PRIDDY, Lewis Hamilton, Barrack and Michelle Obama, Denzel Washinton, The Rock, etc. Peoppenof color have their own magazines and TV channels dedicated solely to them. BET, etc. (Black Entertainment Television) They have months dedicated to them (Black History Month) They have entire movements that protest, riot and push their opinions (BLM) Yet they are the first ones to complain that they are oppressed in some way. Even when they are winning and being millionaires! It's sad. They should be inspiring hope for their people. Showing them that no matter what challenges you face, you can still make it to the top.
Hamilton needs to remember who pays is wages and keep is racism remarks out of sport I was a fan of is not now he really needs to get off is iam god pedestal. I loved bernie ecclstone reply to him it was priceless
Hamilton is special and a very smart man! They want to control him and that is not going ta happen. RESPECT!
Come on lewis talk about gender inequality in the sport, racism and slavery in asia, help out the poor with that heavy wallet of yours. For someone who grew up with little, you sure don't care about everyone else that lives with little
Good on these people that are pushing back on this 'take-the-knee' non-sense. The whole BLM is very racists because first and foremost ALL LIVES MATTER. Baby Lewis is so spoiled by the society built on the principles of western civilisation, that he thinks he can tell people how to think and how to behave. many people confuse the level of noise with the actual significance of the BLM minority. The quiet majority don't give a toss about the whole thing and it's not because they don't care, it's because they care for ALL LIVES. Baby Lewis, you need to take a cold shower and focus on racing not politics. We all love formula 1 for the racing not for your empty rhetoric and virtue signaling.
Have been a formula 1 fan for many years. Raced motorcycles for 12 years. One thing I have learned is that politics has no place whatsoever in sport. Lewis, as someone that has admired you for your driving ability, you are doing yourself no favours whatsoever by trying to introduce politics into formula 1. Sadly, rather than causing me to respect you and your position as a racer, this debacle is having totally the opposite effect. I now find myself a member of the NLAF movement. No longer a fan.
The only ones who think BLM is a political thing are White people who don't have to deal with institutionalized racism. It's apparent that many of you would rather stick your heads in the sand than acknowledge there is a problem. I wonder how many of you know that the only Black driver in NASCAR routinely receives threats from "good ole' boys"..
That LGBT's are subject to the death penalty is a religion thing that's restricted to Islamic countries. The more radical members of that Stone Age religion should be removed from existence. That all those radicals receive monetary support from so-called "moderate" Muslims is something that rarely gets mentioned. The radicals won't be satisfied until the entire world is Muslim. That's actually the real goal of Islam. The moderates are happy to use the radicals as front line troops.
Both racism and religious wacko's are a problem that has nothing to do with politics.
FWIW: I'm bi-racial and can and sometimes do pass for white. I've been there at the barbecues and other social affairs where White's feel free to express them selves. I've heard the jokes, slurs and innuendos. There's a lot more absolute bigotry than White people will admit to. I know this because I've heard it first hand.
Racism is not so bad in Europe. Europe didn't have a civil war over the issue of slavery. A lot of Whites in America would bring back slavery in a minute if they could.
I've been following F1 since the middle 60's. One driver speaking out for fairness and quality is IMO a good thing. Ignoring and/or trying to sweep social problems under the rug does not help. It only makes things worse.
Mercedes should be commended for hiring a driver because of his talent instead of his skin color.
Lewis Hamilton is an angry congloid with a huge chip on his shoulder and deliberately dividing the F1 supporter audience.
Like most flag waving racists, you are obviously illiterate. There is no English word called "congloid". I suppose you mean "congoid". To call someone publicly an "angry congoid (i.e. negro)" is simply horrible. I notice you cannot even spell your own name or give it out fully in public...please go back to the KKK meeting you escaped from
Regardless of the colour of his skin, Lewis is an angry "little man" with a chip on hos shoulder whose intent in pulling the race card is the pursuance of his own brand. Why wasn't the race issue so important to him before this year?
Why cant his dog eat meat, which it is supposed to be eating?
Why cant little boys wear dresses if they choose to?
Why cant he just keep his gob shut and drive?
I repeat like all racists, you are illiterate. Lewis Hamilton is 5 feet 9 inches tall, which is the average height in the USA and in the UK. So, he is definitely not "little". If you were better educated, you would have checked this fact yourself so as not to be shown to be ignorant. Lewis Hamilton has talked about race inequality for years but how would you know that? Dogs are fine with a vegetarian or mixed diet. It is a fallacy that dogs only ear meat. I suppose my question is, why can't you keep your ignorance to yourself and not inflict it on the rest of us? I am glad I stumbled on this site infested with many clan members
May we address the issue yo raised about literacy.
I, for one, rightfully can articulate the word "little" to infer a meaning far more than simply that of height. Lewis is a little man. He is not heavy, and he would most definitely not be in the higher percentile range for IQ.
May I also extend an invitation to you to better educate yourself on matters of canine health, and recognised published veterinary science papers discounting a vegan diet as appropriate for dogs. You simply can not believe everything you read on the internet, you most uneducated fool. Knowing the facts, regardless of whether or not they contradict your blind faith, certainly does not mean that I am ignorant.
Have you ever bothered to read the opinion of Lewis given by people that know him? It is no secret that he is a sociopath, obnoxious and pretentious. Of course, not to discount his obvious talent.
One would hope that as you now have been faced with facts, you will keep your ill-informed mucous to yourself.
Thanks for the feedback and have a nice day. xxooxx
Your comments are rubbish and I will no longer respond. As for education, I have 2 doctoral degrees and a medical degree, and perhaps know something about health outside of Google. What do you have? Happy to publish my CV here if you will do the same with yours and we will see who is more likely to be ignorant of the facts.
You are simply a racist hater and ignorant at that. I will not comment any further on your nonsense.
I do not believe you.
Your language does not carry as one as educated as you profess.
You are, indeed, nothing but a truth fabricator.
However, this is a public forum where anything can be contributed, sans abuse.
I would suggest, though, that some of your contribution border on abuse.
Feel free to respond, it is always welcome.
mcarl, you really should invest in a spellchecker. Your language skills could also benefit from some improvements..
bJohnson;
It's pointless to talk with morons. Many simply don't know how ignorant and stupid they really are.
For all those bigots out there, I'm your worst enemy. I'm an educated Black man who is better educated than most people regardless of color. That I can and sometimes do pass for White gives me a unique perspective. Consequently I know what bigots say and see how they really are when they drop their facade.
Racism and bigotry exists everywhere. It's particularly bad in the US because many southern Whites have never gotten over losing the US Civil War. Those southerners aren't alone. There are all sorts if Neo Nazi/White Power groups that have the same attitude regarding race relations.
When you add all those groups together it amounts to a sizable percentage of White Americans who are basically bigots at heart.
With all that said, F1 is IMO the best of all auto sports. I used to watch NASCAR but the frequency of full Yellow full course cautions for a flat tire or a "Hot Dog" wrapper on the track are ridiculous. Besides, despite being painted differently, all the cars are identical with the same engine. Who cares if Ford, Chevy or Toyota wins? They're all the same car..
Well, well, well, Joseph Evan.
Why is it that Mr Karl should invest in a spellchecker? Is it, maybe, that Mr Karl has articulated using Her Majesty’s English, and not the US abortion the world is being expected to take as gospel. I must admit, after reading advice to Mr Karl I dissected his contributions and found their grammar and punctuation to be spot on.
Perhaps your US underprivileged education was not worthy?
Please learn how to read and comprehend what you're reading. There is an s at the end of my name.
You're from GB and I presume you're going to try and tell me that English as spoken in the US is grammatically incorrect. NOT!!!
Get over yourself. You folks lost the revolutionary and just like US southerners you're still pissed off you lost.
If the end result of any historical struggle is the American version of democracy, that is nothing to be proud of.
The gerrymander system that allows imbeciles, such as the incumbent, to be President.
You are all a joke, Joseph Evans!
Choo godit man
Many southern whites have never gotten over the civil war??!! My God, man - get a grip on reality; somewhere!
He’s a congoloid lover.
That’s their grip.
You're obviously not from the US. Wherever you're from it could be said you have little knowledge of the American Civil War, or it's reasons
Hi gg
I feel that certain of the contributors to this forum need to be called to account. On 28th we have a BLM supporter saying that it is only white people that think BLM is a political movement, so this contributor clearly has not read BLM's own website.
Also, some contributors have labelled BLM as racist and this same BLM supporter on 28th showed an example of such racist opinions, as he stated that gay people only face the death penalty in Muslim countries, whereas this horror is global, and widespread in Africa. He then subsequently went on to express deep anti-Muslim views.
I am sure that this why many contributors to this forum, who do not support BLM and Lewis Hamilton's political views and actions, such as bending the knee and black power salutes, deeply resent it when these same BLM supporters call them racists, when expressing moderate views, as this smacks of hypocrisy.
The sooner that we all get back to the sport of F1 and focus upon racing cars, and bury all this harmful and unnecessary interference from BLM, the better it will be. I truly hope that we will see no more of this depressing behaviour at this weekend's British GP, and I also hope that the Sky F1 presenters start seeing common sense, and stop acting like PC sheep.
Well said Brian Smith!
Perhaps I should make myself clearer. Only Islamic majority countries execute people for being LGBT. If this is incorrect I'm open to correction.
As for the BLM website, most Black people don't bother with it. Yes, they have gone political. However they don't represent most Black people. Being on who lives in the inner city I have some insight on this.
Regardless to what you think, the BLM movement is about equality, nothing more nothing less. If wanting equality is political it's a new type of politics that should flourish and grow.
As I said before, if you don't live in the US you have no idea how race relations are handled here. Just as if you're not gay and don't live in an Islamic country you have no idea what its like.
As for Islam, no I don't like it. But then I dislike any and all religions. Radical Islam is a particularly odious religion in that its true goal is of a completely Islamic world ruled by Sharia law.
Radical Islamic groups are monetarily supported by moderate Muslims. Even though they put up a very good front claiming they abhor and don't support terrorists. The money for those radicals is not coming from Christians, Catholics or Jews..
Oh dear, so much misinformed and muddled thinking, but at least you recognised yourself in my comments.
In that case, stand corrected, and do some research, starting with Africa.
Also, I have no wish to discuss the merits of any of the world religions with you, plus this F1 Forum is not the place.
But the issue under discussion in this Forum is BLM.
BLM and the BLM Movement are exactly the same thing!
In order to support BLM, one must find out what its aims, objectives and agendas are, and the best source is it's website and its political actions and statements.
It is Lewis's choice that he supports BLM, that upsets so many F1 supporters.
I very much doubt that you will find anybody on this Forum that does not support racial equality, except for a very few.
It is also the name itself that upsets so many people, as the name BLM 'implies' that some lives matter more than others.
By all means let's embrace racial diversity in sport, as we should everywhere.
But I will never support a truly nasty Hard Left, self-confessed Marxist organisation, such as BLM, and the idea of kneeling in support of BLM fills me with horror.
If you were a Black American no explanation would be necessary.
A lot of the damage to inner city neighborhoods during the recent riots was caused by masked whites acting for themselves. There is film of this.
The BLM website is run mostly by white people who are avowed Marxists. Very very few Black Americans are Marxists.
We just want equality. Nothing more nothing less. If wanting equality is political, so be it.
To repeat: Every country in the world that makes being gay a capitol punishment crime is mostly or all Islamic. That includes those in Africa as you seem to be unaware of.
How many Black people have you ever talked to? How many do you actually know?
I live in the inner city in a predominantly Black neighborhood. Not one single person I know supports either the BLM website or their Marxist agenda. As already stated the site is run by a group composed mostly of White Marxists.
Black people want equality not Communism.
Joseph Evans, as best I can, I will try to deal with both of your most recent comments, that are directed at poor ole me!
I can assure you that not being a Black American is not the reason that I find it difficult to follow your reasoning, as the way that you express yourself is very muddled and misinformed and highly changeable, and greatly misrepresents me.
Please understand that F1 is not a US-centric sport, like basketball or baseball, but in keeping with the Olympic tradition, F1 is a sport that is totally global in its nature, and until it was forced by this BLM manipulation to be otherwise, it was also an apolitical sport (which actually all sport should be). Therefore, what goes on in the US in terms of racial politics, should not have such an impact on F1.
Well, it appears that you have been reading the earlier comments made by some of the other contributors to this Forum, as you are now finally thankfully voicing a much more anti-BLM
message than you were previously, as you now appear to understand that BLM is indeed a Marxist protest movement. It was BLM that controlled those manipulative graphic images of George Floyd's death going viral on the crazy Twitter-sphere, whipping-up the anger of black communities, which drowned out the message from the authorities that the police officers involved were being dealt swift justice, and that Floyd was far from being an appropriate choice as a martyr for those largely law-abiding communities.
At yesterday's British GP, I felt that real progress was made, subsequent to the pre-race driver's meeting.
I think that when the drivers lined-up, even though it remained unreported by Sky F1!, about 8 drivers were standing at the back, however, only Hamilton was wearing the BLM vest, and all the other 19 drivers were wearing the anti-racism vest. It would have been even better if the 12 or so drivers at the front hadn't knelt, as by doing so, they were, maybe unwittingly, kneeling in support of BLM. It would have been even better, if the other 19 drivers had worn 'We Race As One' vests, as that would have been more inclusive, as hopefully that would also have implied support for anti-sexism. First prize, of course, would have been no protest vests and no BLM-kneeling at all!
However, Hamilton spends a lot of his time in the US, and has very unfortunately imported his very misguided support of BLM into FI, and thereby contaminated the sport with politics, and thereby upset so many F1 supporters around the world.
I must state again as I have before, the BLM website is mainly run by a collection of White Marxists. The actual BLM movement is a grassroots movement that has just about nothing to do with those who run that website. Here in the inner city there are any number of banners and flags supporting BLM. None of the banner or flag wavers have anything to do with what's gong on on that website. None of my friends or neighbors support that web site. However, we're not surprised by what they're saying. We've been through this sort of thing before.
When Rev. Martin Luther King was organizing marches certain members of the US government tried to associate him with Marxism and Communism. IMO the BLM web site is another example of a government attempt to discredit any movement that benefits Blacks.
Another example is the Black Panther Movement of the 60's and 70''s. The FBI sent spies to infiltrate them and brand them as communist sympathizers. I happen to be a very good friend of one of the founders of the Black Panthers. Yes, Bobby Seale is a close friend and has been so for years. Bobby and Hughey Newton (the other founder) were not in any way connected with Marxism or communism. Their entire program was based around improving neighborhood economics. The government claimed and tried to prove otherwise. The government lost.
FWIW: I've been chastised before for my anti-Muslim sentiments. I've even received threats from Black Muslims. No matter, I stand by what I've said.
Although I enjoyed the race it was somewhat of a letdown that there were no spectators. Oh well, something is better than nothing. Although, you must admit the results were somewhat unexpected.
I've been interested in motor sports ever since my next door neighbor in Braintree GB built one of the very early Lotus 7's in his garage.
While my USAF father was stationed there we lived in town and I went to the local public school. So, I'm not as "isolated American" as you presume. In fact I've also lived in France and Spain, not just GB. I was living in England when your current queen had her Coronation.
I made it to Southeast Asia on my own for the Viet Nam conflict. I was drafted for two but volunteered for four years. The Philippines, Japan and Thailand were stops along the way.
In Europe although there are pockets of racism here and there, There is nothing like the institutionalized racism that is prevalent in the US. Those who have never spent time in the US have no idea how deep and imbedded it is.
I'm looking forward to next weeks race. I heard idle talk from the commentators about running Silverstone in reverse. Now that would be interesting. Of course it's never going to happen.